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Monday, February 16, 2009


A new website has launched: SPENDocrats


Anonymous said...

If anyone is interested in the true facts about government spending, here is the graph. Republicans since Reagan in 1980, have been blowing our tax dollars like stoned out lottery winners.

The only areas of the graph with a less steep slope was when the Democrats had the check book.

These facts are real. For the last forty years the Republicans have been the party of U.S. fiscal insolvency not the the other way around.

Dan Francis said...

Good site and great link IV - thanks a bunch: It matches Schumer's arrogant asshole attitude to a "T" and I once again ask: who can oppose him?

The DEM machine surely can see the danger in this man, too? Can't they?

Probably not.

~ dmf

Anonymous said...

5:42 If what you say is true, then why does every special interest ally itself with the donkey party? Teachers, govt employees, health care workers, welfare workers, welfare recipients, soccer moms, gays, environmentalists, blah, blah, blah,.. The list is absolutely endless. Now why do you think that is? I suppose it's because the teacher unions are advocating fiscal responsibilty.

The problem with the elephants is they have pushed for tax cuts but have not had the gonads to follow through with the necessary spending cuts. The donkeys do neither. They, and you, just pretend to stand for something. Like I've said, I got me a govt job. I'm all for pretending.

Anonymous said...

The graph cited by 5:42 doesn't really say anything. It just notes the steady increase of govt spending. Most people don't care, as they believe they are getting a fair cut of the fat.

The only thing funnier than this graph would be one of NY state spending. You know, where liberals have controlled government for so long. Fool. But I love it. I just hope the game can continue for a couple more years. Then, I retire, travel with Wiley, and tell your kids where to send the check.

hermit thrush said...

anon 9:09,
please. the gop most certainly has its own stable of "special interest" supporters: corporations, many other business interests, pro-lifers, defense industry workers, evangelicals, social conservatives, the wealthy, and on and on -- surely i'm forgetting some really major ones! the two parties have very different ideologies, and it's hardly a surprise that those ideologies draw different constituencies.

as for fiscal responsibility, sorry, but the dems' policies, at least on the national level, have simply worked better. (and on the state level, the republicans had control of the senate and governorship from 94-06.) it was the democrats', not the republicans', policies that led to budget surpluses in the 90's, and it was the republicans', not the democrats', policies that led to deficits and debt in the 80's and 00's. (well, ok, i'm oversimplifying the situation in the 80's, but i still think the point is basically right.)

at this point, i'd bet your defense will just be to go screaming bloody partisanship and try to deflect attention away from the republicans'/conservatives' record, and that's your right if you want to. myself, i care about which ideas work and which don't. that's why i'm a democrat -- because i think their ideas tend to work better. it's not the other way around.

Anonymous said...

To 9:09 & 9:15,
The graph of 5:42 says volumes about our Government. The actions of our leaders, in spending all our tax money, has always been more important then their words(lies). For the first time in a very long time we have a President who was poor, and rose to middle class, like many of us. The President promises us all, government transparency. If we all would get behind the President, on just that one issue, we can profoundly change our Government for the better, here and in Washington.

Anonymous said...

ANON 5:46

AMEN! Very well stated. We have the chance to really change. Not only the way the gov't looks, but how it operates. Obama is the best thing that ever could have happened to this country. He WILL lead us to the promised land.

Before the election, I was starting to think that I would have to work for the rest of my life. But, I can just start to see my dreams materialize. I have been patriotic and have paid my share. Now, it's time for big business and you rich pigs to support me. Thank you, Obama.

Dan Francis said...

Here's how this crap works, folks--take notes:

Insert 6A to the stimulus bill at this site For the Kids on Page 11 of the stimulus bill.


For an additional amount for the Richard B. Russell National School Lunch Act (42 U.S.c. 1751 et. seq.), except section 21, and the Child Nutrition Act of 1966 (42 U.S.C. 1771 et. seq.), except sections 17 and 21, $100,000,000, to carry out a grant program for National School Lunch Program equipment assistance: Provided, That such funds shall be provided to States administering a school lunch program in a manner proportional with each States' administrative expense allocation: Provided further, That the States shall provide competitive grants to school food authorities based upon the need for equipment assistance in participating schools with priority given to school in which not less than 50 percent of the students are eligible for free or reduced price meals under the Richard B. Russell National School Lunch Act.

EXCUSE ME - this creates or saves how many jobs? But, that's not my point ...

This funding is and should be in the normal course of legislative program funding, not inserted in the middle of the night as a "porky" that Schumer tells us not to worry about.

But, noooooooo.... now a whole bunch of DEMS can go home, campaign and seek votes by saying "Hey, I got an extra $100,000,000 for our kids healthy lunches ... ain't I a good guy - send me back to office."

* Cheers heard in the room...

The DEMS: giving the GOP ammo to shoot them to pieces ... and they deserve it, too.

Anonymous said...

I agree with some of what you said, Frog man. You are correct about things working betting on the federal level. But stop to think a bit. On the federal level we have had more of a balance between the parties. Here in Empire State, it has been liberal all the way. Even when the elephants have nosed in now and then. And look at the result. We are much better off on the federal level than we are right here in NY.

And as far as special interests, your point is again well taken. The difference is with education, social programs etc, those folks always want MY money. This corporate bailout thing is a more recent deal. I would have let those rich bankers fall on their asses, but it wasn't my choice. Now we seem to be bailing out pretty much everybody. It's your call, or the call of your party. I just don't think it will work. We're going to be in worse shape in six months than we are now.

The big stimulus has done nothing to shore up confidence. Not yet anyway. I truly hope it does. My 401K is down 33% in the last 90 days. Good thing I have the taxpayers to fall back on. They always seem to come through here in NY. Them and the children will never let ya down.

Sarcasm, my dear Frog. I think the entire situation sucks.

hermit thrush said...

anon 7:20,
i'm not sure i agree with the comparison you've set up. you wrote,

On the federal level we have had more of a balance between the parties. Here in Empire State, it has been liberal all the way. Even when the elephants have nosed in now and then.

i don't see the democrats as having had a decided advantage at the state level: the gop held the governorship from 95-06, and the senate for 40 years prior to last fall's election. that's a whole lot more than just "nosing in" -- that's control of well over half the state government! i think it's beyond question that the nys gop is more liberal than the national gop, but would you really call it "liberal all the way"? nys democrats do have a decided registration advantage, but that hasn't translated all that well into an electoral advantage, at least until rather recently.

i'm also not sure i agree that things are better on the federal level than on the state level. but that's not to say i disagree either -- the two governments do quite different things, so how do you compare them?

i'd also be careful about heralding whatever balance there's been on the federal level. the clinton boom was founded on a 1993 economic package that passed congress without a single republican vote in the house and little republican support in the senate (sorry, too lazy to look up the exact numbers). the gop only took congress in the 94 midterms. maybe you could argue that that the republican congressional majorities were necessary to keep clinton in check for the last six years of his presidency -- the point being, that's where "balance" really was a good thing -- but that strikes me as a bit of a hard case to make convincingly.

i think the gop special interests do all sorts of things to look out for their own self-interest at the expense of others! industries constantly lobby for less regulation -- and while some of that's surely justified, some of it also leads to weaker environmental standards, so that more of us get sick and have to pay higher health costs; and some of it leads to lax oversight of the markets, which is a big component of the current mess we're in (and dems are not at all blameless on that one, either). and wealthy folks have managed to shift the tax burden down the income scale a bit this decade -- which means that people like me end up paying for a greater share of government.

of course you're right that the stimulus has done basically nothing at all to shore up confidence, but the sad fact is that it'll take a while to work -- that much money just does not get spent overnight. i wouldn't be surprised either if things are worse in six months' time, but i bet they'd be worse without the stimulus than with it (though perhaps not by much). i've seen a lot of economists say not to expect much progress before a couple years go by, which, unfortunately for obama and the dems, is after the next round of elections.

Anonymous said...

I've lived around the country in recent years, and nowhere have I seen economic problems like I see here in NY. I've never seen more people leave than I have here in NY. I've never seen special interests willing to screw "the children" to fatten themselves, as they do regularly here in NY. Perhaps it is my mistake, but I have more confidence in federal financial decisionmaking. The country, overall, has a better balance when they made money decisions. Here in NY, it is special interest controlled. If you work for the state/school/law enforcement/most civil service etc you can have a decent life. If daddy owns the beer store, you're fine. Otherwise, it's a tought place to make it.

Why do you think so many of our kids have left the Empire State in the last generation? It ain't because of a well run government with balanced fiscal policies. It's because of liberal policies, from both political parties, who are wholly owned by special interests and have insulated themselves and their families from the damage they cause, year after year. We in NY love to hate Washington, but trust me, we can hold our own with the home grown crooks in Albany. Remember, the most dysfunctional government in America. Right here in the Empire State. Highest school taxes, highest welfare spending, lowest job creation, highest numbers of youth to leave the state.... we can't blame this on Washington.

And despite what I view as a good faith initial effort by Gov Patterson, nothing has been accomplished. No cutting of significance has taken place. Now we have a bunch of borrowed money coming from the feds, which will allow us to shovel money on the teachers for another year and avoid any move in the direction of fiscal responsibility.

There will be another reason to do nothing next year. Trust me.

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