Before all the righteous Democrats begin to castrate Representative Joe Wilson for his lashing out last night during the speech, let us share a few flashbacks.
The record is clear - both sides of the aisle lack decorum and that is a sad commentary on today's politics. Wilson's remarks were unquestionably out of line, as well as the President's remarks when he used such strong language as "lies", which only served to provoke emotions and his consistent reference to the past administration.
I thought he was a forward looking President?
Another example is the childish games at the New York State Senate when the Democrats would not stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
Listen to the boos and catcalls here, the only difference between then and last night is Wilson's timing. The rest of the chamber went silent while he was still barking out.
(and p.s. Bush was right back then about Social Security)
Or this
"A government big enough to give you everything you want,
is big enough to take away everything you have"
Thomas Jefferson
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It still shows a lack of class on Wilson's part. I'm glad that we have the resources to continually send these clowns (democrat and republican) to both Washington and Albany to play a never ending, childish game of 'Gotcha'. "You did this to us so we can do that to you". When does it ever end, and when does the people's business, which is supposed to be why they are there in the first place, ever get done. The only winners in this are the Olberman, Hannity, el Rushbo crowd who incite this crap from both sides, and then sit back and make millions off it, no doubt laughing at their stupid minions who eat this stuff up every day. Funny, I can't see an Everett Dirkson or Scoop Jackson or Tom Dewey ever resorting to this type of self serving, non-productive behavior. Where are today's statesmen with class?
Today's "statesmen/women" are the ones putting this a-holes in office to do their dirty work: we call it big money and power; they call it "support and access."
There were no "lies" about the reasons for invading Iraq and thereafter for a long period of time?
Damn -- I musta slept through the truthful portions, then.
So, remind me again why we invaded Iraq - a country that was not, zero, nada, none, nil, no threat to the U.S. in anyway?
Hint: please do not use 9/11 as the reason, okay? We already used that, and correctly, for the war in Afghanistan ...
~ dmf
It's common wacko knowledge.
Two wrong's always make a right.
Is that your argument PIV.
Or is it a childish school yard,
"I know you are, but what am I?"
11:04 The party line stuff is what we've gotten because it works. Witness Dan's posting that follows.
Until this stuff doesn't work any more, we will continue to get it thrown in our faces.
Dan.
What are you talking about? It IS nice to see you support Dem position and LIKE the war in Afghanistan. I wouldn't expect it any other way. Lock step you be on yet another topic.
5:44 - Afghanistan was the right call for the right reason - trouble was we lost the focus and got all nutty and greedy about Iraq and the rest is history now unfolding - and that's not pretty - but the original reason was right.
I stand by that and everything else I've ever said about those two wars.
~ dmf
We realize you stand by everything, Dan. We realize that has been the position of the Donkey party for a long time. It allowed them to act as if they had gonads while pandering to the anti-war base. Had we listened to the "war is lost" hysteria we would have lost. But either way, whatever the Democrats decide, you will follow. That's what we can always expect. We're so proud of you. I'm not sure the Dems were aware of just how much of a boot lapper you were. Had they realized it, you may have been chosen to run.
8:23 - for sure I am not a boot slicker or lapper, and it's for damn sure I've never pandered to the anti-war base of anything.
Of course, I against war - I've been there, but I'm also a realist and I know that sometimes war cannot be avoided and/or is necessary (WW II and Afghanistan good causes)... Iraq and VN were not.
Pretty common sense stuff -- not party line crap at all except for the rabid Hawkish corner -- most of whom have never been to war, let alone dodged a bullet or ducked a hand grenade.
— dmf
This was not a speech worthy of a national night of media coverage before a joint session of congress.
This was a partisan speech full of rubbing Republicans' noses in his legislative policy preferences.
Americans tonight are suffering pre-traumatic hemorrhoid disorder, knowing Barack Obama's government is about to rape their wallets, destroy their wages, and force government healthcare down our throats.We were treated to a vainglorious, pompous ass playing politics with healthcare while accuses everyone else of playing politics. And he spent the whole hour lying through his teeth.Barack Obama has signed on in toto to the Democrats' healthcare plan, including a public option. He said that the plan won't fund abortions. But it will. In fact, the Democrats specifically cut out of the legislation clear language to prevent funding of abortions. Moreso, the Hyde Amendment, which Barack Obama hides behind, would not apply to this legislation because the Hyde Amendment only applies to Department of Health and Human Services appropriations and, get this, the Democrats have decided that healthcare expenditures will not be in the HHS budget. Therefore, abortions will be paid for.More importantly, Barack Obama said the plan will not cover illegal aliens. This is a lie. Joe Wilson was right. The legislation clearly says it will not fund illegal aliens BUT the legislation also prevents anyone from checking on the citizenship status of any person seeking healthcare. He is trying to have it both ways.The entire speech from Barack Obama was loaded with half-truths and flat out lies.
For example, he said he would not force the government option on anyone. But, the legislation provides an incentive for private employers to shove their employees onto the government plan.Likewise, the President says individuals will be able to keep their insurance even when the switch jobs. That is not true. According to the Democrats' legislation, if an employee switches jobs, they must get on a government approved plan and then can never get off it.The President also tried to claim that this $900 billion plan will not add to the deficit. He will pay for it without tax increases he said. He said, instead, he'll save money by reforming present healthcare. Why not do that now? Even so, the Congressional Budget Office says the total savings from stamping out waste, fraud, and abuse would barely be a dent in the overall costs of the legislation.The President was short on details, high on rhetoric, and much too partisan on this issue. He wants to work across the aisle, but on his terms with a pre-existing failed Democrat plan.Whatever the President did not accomplish tonight, he waved around the cadaver named Ted Kennedy as a distraction. It is a good thing Ted Kennedy drank as much as he did, because his corpse held up well as Obama dragged it through the aisles of the House of Representatives like Achilles dragging Hector across the plains of Troy. It was a disgusting display of distraction by a man who has staked his Presidency on the destruction of the American healthcare system. We must help him fail
This article reminds me of this post from Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com in part:
"Those who use curse words to oppose torture, wars and lawbreaking are
Evil and un-Serious (The Angry Left). Those who politely and soberly advocate morally repugnant, indecent policies are respected and Serious (The Cool, Calm and Self Righteous Right). As long as one adheres to Beltway decorum, one can advocate the most amoral and even murderous policies without any repercussions whatsoever; it is only disruptive and impolite behavior that generates intense upset. Beltway culture hates "incivility" (public use of bad words) but embraces full-scale substantive indecency (torture, lawbreaking, unjustified wars, ownership of government by corporations, etc.).
How one becomes "crazy" in Washington culture
— dmf
Leave it to Danny to talk about something completely different. But I don't blame him from trying to change the subject. Trouble is, yous can't do it, Dan. 10:45 is on the money. Facts do matter. Rather than look like a fool, I'd just leave this one alone. Be off with you.
10:45, I just hope enough people understand what you do. Problem is, there are so many who think party before all else. They actually believe this guy. It's a sad thing. Thanks for your posts. Best we've seen here for a long time.
Dan, with GE and The Great One, we've never had a closer relationship between government and corporations. Is this the one your talking about when you lament this sort of thing?
I'll bet not. I'll bet you were talking about some unsupported, media spewed bs that was directed at the Bush administration. Now, The Great One is a Donkey, while Bush is an Elephant. Would that have anything to do with your selective indignation? I guess it's all rather simple when you look at things.
Someone must have waterboarded your ass. I've never seen a guy do a flip flop like you've done since your campaign fizzzzed. You used to present some balance. Nothin but Donkey pooo now.
10:57 - read this and tell me I'm just talking Donkey poo...
The GOP today
Good reading and pretty factual if one keeps an open mind.
In all fairness, I dislike the tactics of a Henry Waxman, Charley Rangel and Nancy Pelosi, too.
I always try to follow people who are rational, critical thinkers, level-headed, open-minded, and like-minded like myself ... don't you? Sometimes they are Red / sometimes Blue.
You apparently do not.
~ dmf
Someone on the right says something nasty; immediately someone on the left responds; then back to the right, then to the left -- never ending.
A contest to see who can shout the longest, loudest and most nasty.
The worst part: It's catching.
Yeah, IV, but there's a difference between boos and catcalls and an individual congress critter telling the Prez of the USA that he lies. Big difference.
7:34 not really because he did in fact lie and got called out on it.
I like that "individual congress critter" line. I think Evil is all wrong but I like that line. That's good thinkin'.
Come back more often with that kind of stuff.
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