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Friday, October 10, 2008

ATV Issue Bogs Down

The ATV issue gets a little muddy today.

Oswego County ATV club endorsed David Renzi and today just off Waggoner Rd. in Orwell, Steve Cronk points out to Dave the 500' length of right of way at Trout Brook State reserve needed across this state property to join private land and a well groomed trail. The DEC has refused to open this land to the ATV club. It is impossible to come in to the groomed trail off the road as there is a big ditch and a wet spot, then a camp. Dave was joined by Orwell town board, 7 Legislators and 3 Assembly members along with the ATV group. Picture below.

Meanwhile back at the ranch Jefferson County, the Lewis-Jefferson ATV club members have a difference of opinion. The Lewis portion (which is not in the 48th Senate District) is saying they endorse Darrel Aubertine, read here as News 10 Now reports.

But, hold the news releases, the Jefferson members are reportedly saying not so fast. The Vice President of the club, John McGraw, said he is unaware of any endorsement and there was never a vote taken to endorse Aubertine. According to sources, the Jefferson portion of the club will NOT endorse Darrel Aubertine.

Is this another one of the infamous Aubertine's erroneous press releases like AL Lee Memorial hospital, NYPA or I was a fan of ATV's after the DEC memo!







28 comments:

Anonymous said...

How in Gods name could they consider endorsing the man who is in the pocket of granis/Dabecki at the DEC and is silently behind the road closures!!!!
The DEC is screwing Lewis COunty due to their law suit (at least one county had the balls to file one!!) by throwing a bone to Oswego and opening up Hessell & Wart Rds---linking Jefferson trails but not Lewis.
Come on Lewis County riders! wake up, he's not one of you or one of us!

Anonymous said...

Glad to see the riders in LEWIS County feel Darrel is working for them. Darrel has to go outside of his area to find someone that things he is working for them. Maybe someone should tell Darrel who he is suspose to be representing. Maybe the President of the club should talk to all of us riders before he speaks for us. No one in the club I have talked to agree with this endorsement.

Anonymous said...

Whoever said that the ATVers in Lewis county are behind Aubertine couldn't be more wrong.
This man wasn't even going to come to the Political Ride Sept. 20 if it wasn't for that memo put out by Drabicki. So whoever put this claim out should have talked to the clubs first

Anonymous said...

I'm an ATVer from Hamilton County -- and I'm voting for Darrel, too!

Oh, I can't do that?

Anonymous said...

This is hilarious in a sick way. The country and the state are imploding economically and the incumbent and the challenger are pandering to the the ATV whiners. It fits actually. Renzi and Aubertine are both ethically challenged and they both went on an ATV ride on illegally opened roads to pander to the yahoo vote. The only way the ATV crowd gets anything is when they find politicians that don't respect the law themselves. Let's talk about some real issues.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Attorney General should investigate to see if Lewis County ATVers are sneaking into Jefferson County to vote for Darrel. Kind of like illegal aliens. Build a fence!

Anonymous said...

Maybe the guy supportin Darrel ought to get his priorities straight. Like pay your taxes. Check out the legals in the Journal. The big time ATVER owes the County of Lewis Taxes. He bitches about what does not happen with state money but cannot pay his own taxes on time. And why do Aubertine and Renzi feel that they need to pamper this whinning bunch of dopes. Last I new the state was going broke and yet ATV's are our savior? Anyone why we are going down the tubes!!!! In the meantime, the Lewis County Legislators are going to cut back funding of the library's etc. But we have a full time trail leader who cannot seem to come up with any kind of Diehl!!!!! Take that forty thousand, keep it in the libarary's and encourage our ATV riders to go read a book!!!!

Anonymous said...

In regards to comments by annon. #7 it is unfair to blame the trail coordinator for the not being able to resolve the closure issues. Liberal tree huggers Pete Grannis and Judith Drabeki who now run the DEC have a new philosophy that they know whats best for how to run the peoples land....Pretty soon they'll ban all traffic unless you're wearing moccasins.
Hunting? check out Grannis' attempts as an assemblyman to ban that on public lands....these two want us to be limited to petting the bunnies and taking pictures on OUR LANDS
It is trajic to see libraries face cuts, but when revenues from all sources are lost---particularly tourism that all our region depends on....hard choices need to be made.
The bottom line is this issue is not just about the ATV crowd, but a socialistic, enviormental extremeist agenda in DEC leadership that needs to be brought to task---Lewis COunty so far is the only one with the guts to launch a law suit.
---oh, and Darrell's aide Wilbanks is Judith Drabecki's husband....so Darrell is on a high wire act here to prove he's "one of us" even though he's been caught (memogate #2---#1 was the Granby water deal) talking out of both sides of his mouth.
It is a riot to see Darrell claim and endorsement outside his district....Have we heard what the Westchester County Trail riders are doing about endorsements yet?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous number 8 tips his hand when he starts yacking about "liberal tree huggers" and "socialistic, environmental,extremist agendas". It really is about politics and getting your way. In this case the ATV wackos are the "socialists", demanding that the public give them a place to ride because they made a bad personal decision when they bought an ATV and realized later they didn't know where to ride it. As far as Lewis County is concerned,"guts" has nothing to do with it. It's about one legislator's self interest and bad judgment. One last thing, number8, your rightwing extremist language isn't working for McCain and Caribou Barbie, and it won't work for you.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous number 8 tips his hand when he starts yacking about "liberal tree huggers" and "socialistic, environmental,extremist agendas". It really is about politics and getting your way. In this case the ATV wackos are the "socialists", demanding that the public give them a place to ride because they made a bad personal decision when they bought an ATV and realized later they didn't know where to ride it. As far as Lewis County is concerned,"guts" has nothing to do with it. It's about one legislator's self interest and bad judgment. One last thing, number8, your rightwing extremist language isn't working for McCain and Caribou Barbie, and it won't work for you.

Anonymous said...

Personally, I don't care what a Manhattan lawyer does to people who like to 4 wheel or hunt. If people are dumb enough to support pols who put people like him in there, then enjoy the party. It doesn't affect me.

Anonymous said...

Responding to Anonymous #9 & 10 (you must have been pretty excited and hit the send key twice) this is anonymous #8 again.
First, I know many of these ATV enthusiasts and they are not wackos as you call them or yahoos like Drabecki...they are by and large decent, often middle aged people who enjoy the outdoors and companionship with one another. Most of the Oswego County clubbers are also very community oriented, volunteering in a number of services, chief among their club efforts is the Oswego County Fair.
I'll defend these folks and their characters any day--they are the salt of the earth.
The club respects the environment, and has done some extensive remediation and mitigation to private lands they cross.
As for your shot at the Lewis County's Legislator and his "self interest and bad judgment” I assume you speak of R. Lucas, and the fact he owns a restaurant/tavern that benefits from ATV/snowmobile traffic. Do your math; that business was run by him long before he was a Legislator and even before ATVs took off in our area. Mr. Lucas is a fine person, and has the overall welfare of his county at heart!
My "right wing language" is a little bit more out of character from my normal posts and language. But as I view what’s going on in the blogosphere as well as NYS I feel the left wing agenda needs to be exposed. If anyone tipped their hand it was Judith Drabicki in her extreme memo---and that's the only one the public has seen!
So excuse my language, but I don't pack birdshot to go deer hunting.

Anonymous said...

Ahh....look at all these comments. All written in the same style, with the same witty positions...and I'm sure ALL by different people. LMAO.

Anonymous said...

My grandfather used to take me ATV riding on Hessell and Wart roads until the rich and powerful DEC threw us off. Me and my grand dad never got to ride on the Hessell and Wart roads again. Funny, I thought that public land belonged to me, the taxpayer. Who'd of thunk grand dad and me would never ride again
Love,
JW

Anonymous said...

I actually live in Lewis County. To those out there who don't seem to know this, Darrel is NOT our state senator. Yet he does a lot for us. We have a REPUBLICAN state senator by the name of Joseph Griffo who is ABSENT.

So to the anonymous posters "From Lewis County" attacking Darrel...get a life and a clue.

Anonymous said...

You know what, enough of the name calling. This is supposed to be a free country. Everyone has a choice of relaxation whether it be sitting and reading a book or riding an ATV.
The ATVer has been called enough names and there is no reason for it so knock it off. You have your sport or hobby so just enjoy it.
As for who is supporting who it doesn't matter. You vote for who you want, just double check on the facts and don't go by heresy.
As for the comment made by #5 on that Political Ride,Renzi and Aubertine were not riding on illegal roads if fact it was on a trail made by a land owner himself on Flat Rock. So get your facts straight before you start complaining.

Anonymous said...

These ATV types sure have a misconception about "rights". Yes, you have a right to buy an ATV, but you do not have a right to ride it wherever you please. Once ATVs are allowed on public land they ruin it for everyone else. If you don't have a place to ride it, don't buy it.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like the ATVers don't know whether they're in forward or reverse.

Anonymous said...

"not riding on illegal roads"- Illegally opened roads connect to the so called trail you claim the "pander bears" were riding on. If indeed the politicians weren't riding on these roads, must be they knew better. Did you? Did your entire ride consist of riding at the Flat Rock Inn? The ride consisted of many "stops", poker run style, all connected by illegally opened roads. Did you parachute your ATVs into the bar rooms on the list?

Anonymous said...

Tear down JCC and turn it into ATV trails !

Anonymous said...

If Mr.Lucas was "honorable" he would choose between the Board of Legislators and the Montague Inn. It would appear that he has a conflict of interest.

Anonymous said...

They did not ride to many stop. It was on land owned by the Flat Rock Inn. No other stops were made.

Anonymous said...

"They did not ride to many stop." Again, more slowly this time-What..about..the...rest...of...you?The ride was from Tug Hill to Brantingham, mostly on illegally opened roads. I'm pretty sure you didn't spend the day going in circles at Flat Rock-- but then again, this conversation has been getting very circular.

Anonymous said...

First, from the looks of the picture the one guy riding the ATV would better serve himself by buying a treadmill and or and exercise bike. Again, I am sick and tired of the ATV person screaming about there rights!!!! When they zoom by my house at two a clock, they impede my rights, but that is ok!!!! What does a book reader do to f up your rights, Nothing, Naugta!!!!
Thank God the DEC regional Director has the guts to close the illegaly opened roads by prior administration.

Anonymous said...

The ATV rider looking for a place to ride? How about the living room of your home!!!! You can replace your couch with your ATV.

Anonymous said...

Is Deputy Dick behind on his taxes again? Maybe he should sell his ATV!

Anonymous said...

im glad they were at flatrock so darrel could get a good look at how windmills turned the tug into a scrapyard that way he will know what his home town will look like after its been sold out for the price of a happy meal.

Anonymous said...

So what is wrong with Wind Mills? Believe me, they bring a price of more than a happy meal to Lewis County.

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